Releasing an EP in Web3 with Queen George

The modern jazz-pop artist joins Mint again to catch us up on her journey in web3 and how she plans to release her EP in a web3-native way.

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Background

Mint Season 5 episode 7 welcomes Queen George, the modern jazz-pop artist who’s been publicly, yet thoughtfully experimenting with web3 primitives since April 2021 in an effort to find and build a collector base.

She joins the podcast for another episode and shares how she plans to release her up n coming EP in a web3 native way.

In this episode, we discuss: 

  • 00:00 Intro 
  • 12:48 – Find her Voice
  • 20:04 – Queen George’s Mental Model for Releasing an EP in Web3 
  • 23:00 – The Emotional Rollercoaster of Trying Something New
  • 25:23 – Understanding the Difference Between a Collector and Listener
  • 27:47 – Identity
  • 37:44 – Outro.

…and so much more. 

I hope you enjoy our conversation.


Queen George.

Queen George:  Adam Levy.

Welcome.

Queen George: Thank you.

To the mint podcast. That was a good intro.

Queen George: That was a good intro.

How are you doing?

Queen George: I am doing really well.

We are in Tarzana, California, my crib.

Queen George: The crib of cribs, you are missing.  

Yes, you are on one couch. I’m on the other couch. Soon enough. We will have cameras in here to record this.

Queen George: It’s gonna be good because this is a nice corner.

Nice corner.

Queen George: This corner deserves cameras.

It does.

Queen George: Yeah.

You’re back.

Queen George: I’m back.

On the podcast.

Queen George: I’m back on the podcast. I’m also back in the United States.

Where were you?

Queen George: I was in Costa Rica. Living my best life.

Why were you in there?

Queen George: I was being a complete stranger. I was in a place where nobody knows me. It’s not like I’m famous. I can’t remember my grandma knows me here, right? It’s really not that big. But it was so nice to be in a different country and plan my whole drop and EP roll out from a completely blissful place. Just like ocean and jungle and tangled hair. The whole thing.

Tangled hair. How long were you there for?

Queen George: Three weeks?

Wow. On the beach?

Queen George: Yeah, there was a beach and where I was staying was on this hill. And there was a huge Rocky Mountain to get there. And it was a.

What’s it like writing music in the setting like that?

Queen George: Writing music in a setting. I mean, the music writes itself, there’s no, you just kind of show up. I try to create experiences that where I just have to show up and the inspiration happens for me. I actually have yet to look back at my journal in my notes. I made it a point to write any time I was just anywhere without thinking. So, I’m curious, in retrospect, what that’s gonna look like if that will even become a song because I just wrote a lot of poetry.

Do you write better during the day or at night?

Queen George: It can hit me at any time it can. I’ve woken up from dreams with ideas. I’ve woken up in the middle of the night, I have voice memos of like mumbling in my sleep. It can happen in broad daylight. Really just depends on the wave. It’s just like it comes through. I would say as opposed to me bringing it out. I just have to enter spaces that support that vessel.

Where was the most random place? You’ve recorded or written a song?

Queen George: Oh my god. This is really bad. This is really bad. A memorial. It’s bad. I had an idea. And I went outside and recorded it. I know. It’s really bad.

You just like left the memorial.

Queen George: It was just for a minute. It was just to get the idea.

A minute too long.

Queen George: It was just but when the idea goes, it’s gone, that’s probably the worst place. I’ve pulled over on the street a couple of times.

You’re back on the podcast. What a way to start the episode.

Queen George: Take to live.

Take to live. For those who are not with us. We’ve taken about 36 takes, dying of laughter and crying.

Queen: And I wish you guys could hear all of them.

Maybe I’ll include a few.

Queen George: A blooper reel, if you will.

A blooper.

Queen George: I actually can’t believe we’re having a normal conversation right now. I’m not gonna lie to you.

See, we talk like 12 times a day.

Queen George: Minimum.

At least. And this feels way too formal for me.

Queen George: Yeah, I need you to I mean.

You know, as a podcaster one of the most difficult things to do is to have a conversation as if there’s nothing recorded.

Queen George: Yeah.

Dinner table or something.

Queen George: Yeah. I feel nervous truly because of these mics because we talk all day in every shape and form. Like in happiness and sadness. So, to have mics is like I don’t know. Last time like they’re not here.

Last time they were. Last time you were on?

Queen George: Oh, no, it’s already started, that’s where the juice is gonna be.

Okay. Yeah. Last time you were on. We were in Eth Denver. Right? It was November.

Queen George: It was February Adam.

Was it?

Queen George: Yeah.

Geez. Cuz it was my birthday.

Queen George: It was yours.

Oh, yeah. That’s right. That’s right.

Queen George: Remember that’s why Eth Denver plan Eth Denver because they were like it’s Adam Levy’s birthday.

Right? Oh, it was so nice to them.

Queen George: They really didn’t have to.

They didn’t have to.

Queen George: Yeah, we were already in Denver. I just performed that the event that you put on. Yeah.

Let you perform that.

Queen George: Correct.

Which is lower that I put on? Yeah.

Queen George: Correct. And we were sitting in my hotel room.

But we were talking about, we were talking about at Eth Denver and how you, the title of the episode is how your growth hacked over 100 collectors.

Queen George: Yeah.

On Ethereum during Eth Denver and gave out free tickets as NFTs and did this whole like Spiel which we’ll be talking about in a second, but just introduce it. So, for anybody that didn’t catch episode, you can go and check it out and listen to it, I really encourage it, it was a fun one. And basically, what we did is we issued NFTs as tickets, people collected them for free on polygon. And then they would use those tickets as a way to come and watch you perform live during Eth Denver. The beauty behind it is it was highly curated crowd of OG Ethereum people and over 100 people have collected one of your NF T’s now. And from there, we created this experience where they could scan their QR code and be able to mint a one of one song that you were going to perform. It was one of your newer songs that I fought for, and I won, thankfully. And yeah, it was a fun experience, it was a big learning lesson for me, which funny enough? Okay, I talked about this is a podcast with you. On that episode, specifically, how, you know a lot about like your audience in web two, and where they come from. And I mean, you have very surface level data right there, web three, you don’t have that, like you weren’t able to tell who your collectors were, and you just got a bunch of addresses, funny enough, that inspired me to have a new idea that I ended up taking to Eth Amsterdam a few weeks ago, and presented it to like this team of friends that we ended up building this MVP over the weekend. And we won the hackathon. Because the idea, because of you, because of the project that we worked on together. Funny enough. I talked a lot right now. There’s a lot to wait the breakdown. Yeah, yeah. I never told you that.

Queen George: No.

Yeah.

Queen George: You never you never gave me the breakdown.

All right. Really quick. Let’s reflect on Denver for two seconds. Really quick recap. Go.

Queen George: Oh, man, I’m nervous. Okay, I need to pretend like this mic isn’t here. Ready? Reflect on Denver?

NFT tickets concert, minting one of ones, QR codes everywhere.

Queen George: Wow. Thank you. When I think about Eth, Denver, I think about just putting my QR codes all over the venue, so there were two QR codes, right? We had the QR codes for my Discord, and QR codes for the one of one from that my new song at the time. And I just remember my focus, because we talk a lot about just one thing at a time, right. And that’s just been like the biggest bone to bite on and entering web three for me. And I just remember going, okay, one thing at a time, I mean, one thing at a time, and my biggest focus was new people, new people, new people. I know my web two people; I know what they like. And here I was in front of a roomful of people that you know, function on a completely different wavelength and are used to something totally different. And I’m an alien to them. And they’re aliens to me. And it was just about getting to know a new audience and the way that we did the ticket and completely opened my mind. And, you know, I’ve obviously brought that into the way that I want to do things in the future. But yeah, Denver for me, there’s just a whole lot of newness, a whole lot of newness.

So, like I said earlier because of Denver, I learned a lot through that experience. I’m a big believer that at least me personally I learned by doing when I was in school, I sucked at like working at the textbooks. I actually got like C’s, D’s and F’s on all my exams.

Queen George: Same except for choir and lunch.

Oh, lunch, I aced.

Queen George: Aced.

I aced like a mofo. But your event when they performed that, the trial that we went through using dystopia Labs is impish ticketing service opened my mind to new insights. So, because of you, I thank you. And I thank you. And it’s always fun having you on and I wanted to have you on specifically, even though you’re not part of the initial lineup of season five, you were a part of season four. It’s always fun to have past speakers on to do like these recap episodes, and kind of like, check in every once in a while. Especially with people that I love so much, and that I love seeing what they’re doing. And I really believe in them.

Queen George: I also think that speaks a lot to what we’re trying to do here. All of us in web three, I think it would be truly a waste if we just had our good first impressions and good first dates, especially with shows like yours that do give people a lot of insight. Because we do make a lot of mistakes a lot along the way. And it would just be a true bummer. If we didn’t come back to the drawing board in a group setting like this for people to hear. I would love more of that.

So, since you’d love more of that we’re doing it now. And from Denver to now. Okay, a lot has happened since February. So, it’s May.

Queen George: Yeah. That was in February.

It’s actually exactly a month. I think it was February 17th. We’re filming this recording this on May 7th.

Queen George: Interesting.

Yeah. Funny enough.

Queen George: February. So that was about three months now.

Is it?

Queen George: Yeah.

March, April, May. Yeah. Three months.

Queen George: Three months I’ve done a bunch of shows since then. A couple in New York. I did a couple.

You did good karma.

Queen George: I did. I did good karma. Yeah, it’s my first time ever doing good karma, shout out to them. I love them. They really just took me in, like family.

Shout out to them.

Queen George: Till now. I mean, it that relationship is just growing, really such beautiful people who, I remember walking into the soundcheck and feeling like I was getting a hug. I don’t know how to explain it. You know, when you perform a lot, you walk into venues, the initial vibe is the initial vibe and that care.

The funniest part about it is when Brady came to introduce you.

Queen George: This is the funniest part.

Introduce you and everyone, King George.

Queen George: I’m so happy to introduce King George.

It’s Queen.

Queen George: King George. Yeah, did get the good karma showcase back in March, performed a lot since then. Got my whole EP done. All the songs are kind of being finalized. Right now, I have about one or two mixes that are just waiting to be signed off on and yeah, early June, it is going to belong to the world. So no longer to me.

And you’re doing it. I mean, you came to me you’re like, Adam, I want to do this in a web three NFT a way. Yeah. So, what does that mean to you doing something in a web three NFT way?

Queen George: What that means, to me in a very broad term is, is redefining my experience as an independent artist, and trying to push the boundaries of what it means to be independent. And when I came to you and said, Adam, I want your help, I want to do this in a web three format was me saying, how far can we take this? And you know, how many new people, how many different people can I get interested in what I’m doing? How many new people can I connect with, how many new heads, people who I’m an alien to and vice versa. Just you know, shake, shake the mold a little bit. And you know, it’s very easy to kind of lose hope, therefore lose sight in the standard web two way. Especially in a world where people are like, oh, varieties King, and, you know, sign or, or die and wait around, I just realized I don’t want to wait any more, to release anything or do anything. And in web three, there’s this awesome opportunity, huge opportunity to just put yourself out there because people will want it. And you know, you don’t need anything standard quote anymore.

Finding Her Voice

So being not part of the norm. How do you think about that? Like, why do you think you’re not a part of the norm? Why do you fit with that so well?

Queen George: Well, I think it goes back to the kind of music I make. I think that my music. The music that is on this EP is, is not pop, I don’t see it fitting anywhere, truly, I don’t, I listen to my music, and I grab my face, and I hold my head in my hands and I go, this is gonna hit or it’s gonna miss. And it nothing excites me more. That kind of jump, because my music to me doesn’t feel like it fits anywhere. It doesn’t fit in a box, it doesn’t fit in, you know, a lot of times a lot of meetings I’ve had, you know, meeting sometimes I sit in these meetings, God knows who and labels and whatever. And they go. So, what do you do? What kind of music do you make? Because it makes sense. They want to try to make sense of you. And I’m like, how am I going to tell this girl that it doesn’t fucking make sense? How am I going to tell her you know, it’s just, it’s just a product of all the sounds and cultures and flavors that I’ve been raised on. And it was made in a different country as well. And, and where I find myself really fitting in and web three is that there’s a big stage for anything that feels other, and a big stage for things that you can’t necessarily name. And because you don’t have to, just do shit that you like. And that speaks to you. Because it’s not rocket science. It’s frequency based and vibe base. And if it speaks to you, it really might speak to someone else. And that multiplies when it’s honest. So, I’m finding that to be very invigorating and interesting and honest. And that’s the pool for me in web three. It’s a very limitless space and it’s exciting as someone who doesn’t exactly feel like her music fits.

So, part of part of not fitting in is well something I’ve talked about on the podcast is music artists being forced to make music in a certain structure. In a way that it goes viral on Tik Tok, or that there’s dances associated with it. And it’s a process that’s not really designed for everyone. Right? I think web three is that platform where innovation is rewarded, right? There are no real algorithms. The only real algorithm is maybe trying to get a viral on Twitter. There are methods, there’s resources, there’s things of that nature, playbooks for that matter.

Queen George: But the stats and the tips can only take you so far.

Yeah. And it’s not controlled by an entity that has up above power that can determine whether or not something gets exposure. Right, AKA a lot of these web two platforms. Hence, you coming to me and me being so excited, you tell me, Adam, I want to release this EP in a web three native way. I was fired up, I’m a big fan of your music, I love your stuff. I’ll always like support you because I just feel so aligned and connected to what you do. And there’s music like yours doesn’t exist in my opinion. And when something brings you happiness, and something brings you joy, it’s hard to kind of like, push it away. So, I’m excited for this up and company EP. Can you walk me more through it? How much of it was written in Costa Rica? Or what’s the origin of it? What’s the first song that you’re going to be releasing? How do you plan to release it? Yes. All these things?

Queen George: Yes, yes. So, Costa Rica was so fresh, I mean, this is just a kind of a reset from working on this EP, so nothing from Costa Rica will be on this. This is, this was a meet, so the EP is Queen George and a meet my real self, one on the Strip. This has nothing to do with that it was a nicer, unnecessary reset. But um, the first song I’m going to be releasing off of it. It’s called bow dead. And it’s a Hebrew word means alone. And it’s about me being with someone who was alone. And I didn’t want to be with someone who wanted to be alone. It’s that simple. And I wrote that in France last summer, with a wonderful group of producers. Dean Watson jonka, I think that’s how they pronounce his name at a castle called leopard, in Bordeaux, in France, and going there again, the summer long to make a very, could be long story short, we huddled up in France during a time where I was going through a lot, during a time when I was going through a lot. And we wrote a bunch of music. And that was it. And I didn’t know what else to do with myself at the time but write this music. And they’re from France, there’s going to be bow dead minimum wage, keep it together. And hero. And then two other songs are if I ever go down, and which is already out, but that needs to have a home on my first project, very aligned with the rest of the music, and California boys which was written here. But France is kind of the focus. France is the heart with this. And.

My favorite song out of the EP, I’ve gotten the luxury of being able to listen to it quite a bit. should find a way to create some type of teaser now that I think about it, like some of the people that collected some of your initial, like ticket NFT’s during Eth Denver, find a way to show them and show them previews at least the ones that are in the discord. I feel like that’d be cool. I would love that. I’m just thinking.

Queen George: Like a little sound bite?

Yeah, like little soundbites. That could be interesting. But okay, favorite song. I love bow dead, there’s nothing like bow dead out there.

Queen George: And I’m actually, I’m dropping that on sound on Thursday.

Oh, sick.

Queen George: Yes. Okay, dropping that on sound on Thursday.

You chose to do that one.

Queen George: Yes. I chose to do this one. Because it’s just, I don’t think anything else exists?

I don’t know. I thought it was California boys for a second.

Queen George: No.

Bow dead.

Queen George: Bow dead.

Why Bow dead?

Queen George: Because I don’t think it sounds like anything else. It to me, I hear it and I go who made that? I don’t even know if that’s good or bad. I really, I’m not even sitting here like it wonderful, beautiful piece of music. I really just I hear it. And I’m like, What the hell is that? That’s gotta be first like throw it, throw them into the pool. One by one. Yeah, it really is a marriage of, of the feeling when I wrote it, of all my cultures, and just, I don’t know, music that I really resonate with, sounds that I resonate with. So, I decided to make that my first sound drop. I’m so happy that they’re having me on their platform. I think they’re doing great work and they’re fucking trailblazers and really excited to release this with them. So, yeah, it’ll be a few weeks before the rest of the music comes out.

Queen George’s Mental Model for Releasing an EP in Web3

So, before the rest of the music comes out, we have the first song that you want to release. Yes, right. It’s on sound. And I’ve had a bunch of music artists on the podcast, and I’ve always run this question, I think I’ve always done this question by them. It’s pure out of curiosity for me, how do you kind of come to terms with the format in the medium in which you release a song in EP? How do you know whether you should do it as an addition, as a one of one initially, as a music video first as an audio file first, with a graphic, without a graphic, like there’s so many different ways?

Queen George: Honestly, you just don’t know.

You don’t know.

Queen George: You just don’t know. And you go with what feels good and what you want people to have.

So why did in addition format as the kind of like the introduction to the first song in EP, feel good?

Queen George: This felt good, because first and foremost, I know that this might be a little tiny piece of it. But right under where the song place, there’s a huge box for where the story is. Number one I like that viscerally at a story oriented on sound. I like how friendly it is. I like that it is catered towards people and connecting with people. It makes it really friendly and easy. As a supporter, as a listener, whatever you are, you come to their site, and you go well, I’m wanting here, and they want me to understand and they want me to connect, I especially felt that with the ability to do you know, the golden egg situation, I chose to have my golden egg winner, it’s basically like, it’s a random winner, the collectors, that gets a price that none of the other collectors get. And for me, for mine, it’s gonna be a pair of tickets to any three Queen George shows in my career. I could pop off in a year and play Madison Square Garden and they would still be able to redeem their two tickets. To me, I’m like, okay, when I say three shows, I mean any three. So, let’s do it. And then for the collectors in general, for anyone who collected it’s just it’s going to be like a compilation of the iPhone voice memos from the day that I created the song from empty canvas to final product, and fights and ideas and banter back and forth. But kind of like a highlight reel of like the turning point moments in the integrative process. Because that, to me is something that I really want to share with people. That’s and so I just felt like this is a really safe space for that. And for people to connect and see the raw process. And that’s what I, that’s what I like about them, but truly I won’t know until I do it. I like this thus far, right? But I haven’t done the drop. I don’t know I’m kind of learning as I go but excited to touch you back and let you know how it went in retrospect.

The Emotional Rollercoaster of Trying Something New

Walk me through like the emotions. I feel like it can be very nerve wracking.

Queen George: Yeah.

Preparing for the first drop.

Queen George: A lot of question marks, because you just don’t know. You want your stuff to go well. It’s like writing a diary and putting it out in the world and hoping people like what they read. And at some point, I honestly, it stopped me from putting out music for years. And I never understood that that’s what it was. I always said, oh, I gotta wait for the right team. I would always kind of say, oh, this isn’t the right time. This isn’t the right this and I realized that actually this morning, I was brushing my teeth and I was thinking about this drop and I’m like, I’m nervous. Wait, why? And then I’m like, wait, because I’m putting my art on a pedestal for people to buy and support and decide on whether or not it’s worth it or whether or not they like it and there’s a lot with that. So, a big part of you has to go. Alright, I put it out and I move on. And I make room in order to make room for the next thing. And so that’s how I’m feeling right now. That’s where you’re catching me right now. I’m interested to see how I feel day off the job.

Yeah, you called me earlier today. Feeling very emotional. If I’m able to share.

Queen George: Yeah, yeah.

Cuz, I think a lot of what happens in crypto or at least on socials. Everything always looks fun and like glamorous and.

Queen George: Random person just made $20,000

Yeah. Yeah.

Queen George: Oh, wow. How did they do that?

And a lot of the process can be incredibly overwhelming especially leading up to it like you said, like you don’t know how the world is gonna respond and how they’re gonna react.

Queen George: You just know it’s your baby?

Yeah. Yeah, I applaud you. I think it’s a really, I think it’s a really like vulnerable way to release something. I think sound did a great job. I’ve been kinda like doing perfecting the model for not perfecting, it’s still a work in progress, but really like getting to the point where you’re able to better connect with the artists and the fans who enjoy the art from the artist, right and the music artists.

Queen George: Yeah, but a good point that you’re making is that it also makes it very friendly for the artist. It’s a very comfortable, comforting space.

Understanding the Difference Between a Collector and Listener

What does a collector mean to you? Like, how do you think about what a collector means versus an everyday listener?

Queen George: To me, a collector is somebody that I, somebody that becomes a part of my life and my journey. That is someone who read your diary. And when that, that’s cool. I, there was a line in there that sounded like something I felt last week, and maybe we could get coffee next week and talk about it. That’s what a collector feels like to me.

Is that the relationship you want to have?

Queen George: Yes, absolutely.

Well, why, like other people would be like, Oh, it’s so time. It’s like such a time constraint.

Queen George: No, why do I do this, then I would have gone to be an accountant. I’m here because I like human connection. Right? Like it’s funny enough that I came to web three, for real human connection. But if this is a medium of doing that, then absolutely. Yes, I want people to go, I heard something in that. That reminded me of myself. And can we talk a little more about it? I like this, and I want more, because it brought out something in me that I liked, because that’s how human interaction works. So, to me, that little hub of people, that’s a that’s a seed that I want to water. It’s, yeah, listeners are wonderful. And I am so grateful for anybody who takes the time to listen to my music, even if it accidentally comes on shuffle, really, but like for someone to go, oh, that that sparked something in me. Yeah, fuck yeah, I want to nurture that. And if okay, let’s get coffee next week. Because that’s a, it’s a give and take relationship, in a really nice way. give and give.

That’s a really good way to put it.

Queen George: This is just, not to be fooled. This is just another medium of connection. This is brilliant, because it’s just another way, we’ve created another way, we went all the way to computers, to create another way to connect with each other. That’s crazy. Look at it if you tear all this shit away. It’s just to do what we’re doing right now to find other like-minded people who believe in each other. Who can then go do you want to meet next week? This is going so well. So far. We’re connected online, there’s no way we won’t connect in person. Look what we did. For human connection. It’s mind blowing when you just simplify it.

Identity

Who do you? What do you what do you identify as like, what is your identity?

Queen George: In 2022 you want to ask me that question?

I want to ask you that. You want to know why I want to ask you that because I know you so well. Yeah, I feel like Queen George is like your alter ego. In a sense.

Queen George: Yeah. It’s my.

It’s like, oh my god, what is your identity? But no, but this this artist image that you’re portraying yourself as Queen George? I obviously know it. But Queen George like Queen, George. It’s like something so like, feminine queen. You’re so masculine, George, right?

Queen George: Every man needs a woman.

Every man needs a woman.

Queen George: And that’s not really true. It’s just really fit in this moment. Actually. You just you need whatever you want. Honestly, you are great at what you need. Do your thing. Honestly, Queen George, I don’t remember if we talked about on the last one. But King George is a famous street in Tel Aviv. Spent a lot of time there. It was just an idea for the name of my first project at the time. And then every time I went on stage, I stepped into this body, this alter ego. And I really enjoyed stepping into something on stage and stepping right back into my personal self-offstage, and I really started to enjoy the separation. I enjoy it now. I enjoy going to Costa Rica and riding an ATV, in the dirt in the mud and feeling like a meat separate from this life. Because, you know, I used to think music was absolutely everything. Really. I used to sit here and be like music is everything. Yes, it is a lot. But it is not everything in the second, if is everything I’m fucked. Because there’s a lot, there’s mental health, there is emotional space. There are boundaries. There are things that we, if we want to really learn from other artists. We want to build healthy walls. And I personally, I know myself, I’ve gotten to know myself as I’ve gotten older as a woman especially and realize that I want to have a separation between me who is my parents, daughter and a friend and I know my be a mother one day, and this person on stage, I need that to be a part of my life, not my whole life. It is something I love. And I feel lucky to have this gift, but I feel like it can’t be my whole being. And so that’s been a really healthy way for me to separate that. And I just like the name Queen George, I can’t tell you that. You know, crazy meaning to the name. I think about that. Sometimes I’m like, shouldn’t George mean something to? And honestly, just I heard it in my head once and I went that’s it and didn’t think about it. Maybe it’ll make sense in reverse. We spoke about that earlier. Everything makes sense backwards, but it just feels right.

Do you ever find yourself turning on that alter ego, like random times during the day when you go to the market?

Queen George: Absolutely.

What is that, like?

Queen George: That is just something that exists within myself. I mean, it’s honestly, not that I really think about it. No. What am I saying? I could think so for a moment at the gas station. But truly, it’s just when I’m on stage, or when I need to in a session. when I feel like I can’t really get my shit together. And I need to get the take I go. I mean stuff. What would Queen George do right now. It’s just, it’s the best version of myself that I turned into something real. And I said, why can’t I be that, it’s me, it’s just a separation that built in love.

So, what version of Queen George has highlighted and put in boarded?

Queen George: This is a really interesting question. I’ve never thought about that. I’ve thought a lot about this song. And I’ve never thought about it from that perspective. I think the part of Queen George that is human. I’ve turned her into this persona that is absolutely untouchable. This is the part of Queen George that is human and divine and in pain, and she’s so, she can’t believe she’s in such pain that she has to turn it into this grand composition of music. That was really my way of dealing with when I went through, Queen George. At that time, Queen George was my way of dealing with that. But bow dead, that means alone in Hebrew. And it’s about me being with someone who wanted to be alone. And I realized one day that I wanted that person alive, alive and thriving here with me and not numb and dead and not here. So that’s exactly what that song is about. But yeah, feels big. It feels kind of larger than life. Sometimes I can’t believe it’s me.

One thing that you’re really good at, that I really admire is you’re really good with people.

Queen George: Thank you.

You’re really, really good with people.

Queen George: I really love people, people are good to me, that’s why.

You really know how to connect with people. And I gotta tell you, a lot of my conversations on the podcast, I’ve done over 200 episodes. Being a podcaster, you have to put yourself in a position where you have to try to connect with people very fast, very intimately, right, and get to know them and ask them questions. Without really knowing who they are. Maybe you read something online about them, or you follow to some of their tweet threads. You know, they’re good at some type of subject. And spending a lot of time around you have taught me how to be more of a human and less of a podcaster.

Queen George: Beep boop.

Beep boop, not seriously.

Queen George: I appreciate.

And that’s why I think you’re going to do so well in this space. Because at the end of the day, it comes down to people.

Queen George: This is just another medium of connection.

Building any type of community, it all comes down to people. And you’re in, when you’re put in a situation where you’re forced to make something out of a group of people, you’re really good at that. So.

Queen George: Thank you.

I’m really stoked to see your journey. And you’ve, you’ve been trying, you failed, you’ve succeeded, you’re learning.

Queen George: and may say on the note of people, it has been a fucking challenge for me to translate the human connection that I feel, that I kind of pride myself on, that I really enjoy into like a virtual setting. It has been very challenging. We spoke about that this morning. Very challenging for me to translate that and have that reflect online. And I feel like I have to work really hard for it. But I’m here for it.

So, with that, I’m stoked for your drop on Thursday.

Queen George: Thank you.

 I’m really excited to see how you release the EP and the web three in a way which I’m sure we’ll be collaborating on more as the time comes. Because you also be dropping on catalog?

Queen George: Yes. So, I’m dropping on sound now. I’m gonna do it. An awesome catalog drops right before the EP, in light of the EP itself. So, I’m really, really excited, really excited, good people in the space, I’ve really gotten lucky and gotten to meet some awesome people.

You went from not really knowing anybody in this space to making awesome relationships and friendships and performing a good karma. And in just being at the right place at the right time. And again, it goes back to me saying you’re really good with people, you have a knack for that.

Queen George: Thank you.

How do you do that? How have you managed to do that in such a short period of time.

Queen George: Showing up to events with a lot of happiness and excitement and genuine desire to enhance each other’s journeys in life and in this space, the space is a little piece of that, but looking at someone and going, like really reading them and going, is there a vibe between us? And is there chemistry here as people I mean, just honestly, I understand that my strong suit is, is showing up and speaking to people in person. And it’s there, you know, rare the opportunities in web three that you get to really hang out with people in real life. So, every conference that there was every event that there was I went and because I just trust myself in those settings. That really just I don’t know, just like you would at a party, you vibe with someone or you don’t, it’s a really honest interaction. And then you kind of go from there. And if you can, if you can help each other in some way, fuck yeah. I mean, just looking for that. And looking to do that for people.

Yeah.

Queen George: I don’t know.

I think too many people get caught up in like, trying to think like, okay, what can you do for me type of mentality. It’s a lot of the mentality in LA actually.

Queen George: And it’s fucking rough. And I’m thinking I need to leave.

I need to leave. Definitely.

Queen George: Yeah, I mean, and then also just entering relationships and going, okay, I mean, are you cool? Is this fun? We’re having fun. Right? Okay. And that’s it. And that’s enough. And we can’t overthink everything. We really can.

Look, on one. I’m very, like grateful. And very, I feel very lucky. And yeah, I really enjoy what I have. And I really appreciate everything that I have. But this, like, this mentality of, I don’t know, like, what can you do for me versus how can we go together? It’s very, it’s very present here and I’ve also been noticing that energy across crypto Twitter as well. It’s like less about wagamese. Like, we’re all gonna make it. And ever since the bear market kicked in, it’s been interesting to see how attitudes and characteristics and how people’s energy is like shifting.

Queen George. Yeah.

Outro

You know. And I guess, the bear market always vets’ people, right and always filters people out. The same people who joined in the high will not stay throughout the low and going to these events and go into these conferences will help people kind of like rejuvenate, reconnect on a more intimate level. So, I’m looking forward to it. There’s beauty in the bear market. I don’t even know how we got to this conversation. But I’m stoked for your drop on Thursday. Where can we learn more? Where can we find more?

Queen George: Twitter, QueenGeorge.com.

What’s your Twitter?

Queen George: I am Queen George. And I am because sometimes people do just, I am but I am Queen George. I post a lot a lot of random thoughts, a lot of updates, a lot of pictures, singing videos, whatever. Just go. Go message me. Let’s be friends. I would love to connect with as many people as possible. And yeah, thank you for having me. I love coming on.

You’re always welcome.

Queen George: I’ll probably call you later.

Till next time.

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